3 Axis Gimbal Stabilizers Now with Auto Tuning PID Settings Firmware Upgrade

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The DJI Ronin is one heck of a gimbal, and one of it's stand out features would be the Auto Tuning Software. Well for anyone using SBGC Basecam Alexmos Controllers with their gimbals, the new firmware now offers an 'Auto PID' feature as well. But before you get too excited you may want to take a look at this video demonstration.

So the new firmware offers an amazing set of new features, and Auto PID tuning seems to work. This still doesn't solve the other areas that you need to be familiar with including sensor position, sensor calibrations, gyro calibrations, and motor configurations. Before you can use any of the Auto PID features, you need to properly configure those settings first and balance your camera properly on the gimbal frame.

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I've heard some people talk about how everything works except for the 'Pitch' or maybe the 'YAW' is buzzing. Using the Auto PID tuning feature with one axis may now quickly solve these issues. Keep in mind that with a sliding scale between Better Stabilization and Better Precision your results could vary. Even though it's 'Auto' there's still a fair amount of trial and error that can be time consuming to use this process.

If you're working with 32 Bit Gimbals like the CAME-TV 7000/7500 (found here) or the Varavon Birdycam2 (found here), the new firmware should be compatible, but you know what they say. 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it'. If you have your gimbal working well, there may be no real reason to upgrade the firmware at this time.

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34 thoughts on “3 Axis Gimbal Stabilizers Now with Auto Tuning PID Settings Firmware Upgrade”

  1. David

    Please make this video available internationally... it says it's not available in my country: httpss://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K1plNpScB4

    (this is for the manual tuning, but figured it's related here...)

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    @umit gulsen - Wow, that's going to be a tough one. Here's the first thing you should have done: https://cametvblog.com/how-to-save-your-gimbals-profiles-using-simplebgc/

    Profiles are calibrated for 'each individual gimbal'. So your profile is going to be different than someone else's profile mainly because of the 'encoders tab' and some other small settings (like RC Sub Trim, etc).

    Because you wiped out the original profile that is set to your specific Gimbal, you have to re-calibrate the system going through a process. It's not as easy as load another profile. I don't have the starting point for the Optimus so I suggest you contact CAME-TV support to see if they can help you remotely, or you may have to send your gimbal in for them to calibrate going through the manual process.

    If you had first 'saved your own personal profile', then it would be just as easy as reloading it. But at this point you can't just download a profile from another Optimus. You have to start with a base, and then the process to calibrate the encoders that are specific to your system.

  3.

    Hello,

    As I was trying to get rid of my Cametv optimu's shakiness and vibration I did the auto PID using the SBGC software and that screw everything. And Now I don't have the default profile saved. Can anyone help me get the default profile for Came TV Optimus here?

    thank you

  4. Tanju

    Hi,

    I was wondering if someone could help me getting the original profile settings for the GIMBAL 7800. I accidentally deleted them while changing the PID settings. I was using the GUI software version – 2.43b9.
    Now my Gimbal has lost its settings and I can’t find a way to balance it again like before.
    I'm working with a Canon 60D

    Please contact me via [email protected]

    Hope that someone can reach me the solution for this problem…
    Thank you very much,

    Best regards
    Tanju from Belgium

  5. Carsten

    Hi Emm,
    my 7800 want stay in horizontal posision(almost good)when I switch it on. The gimbal seems to be properly balanced. What can I do?

  6. Raju

    I got the new came-tv 7800 gimble haveing so much problem I just want to rest it to factory setting please help on this or if you can kindly send me a link how to do it.

  7. Steve M.

    Emm,

    Don't know if you've seen this or have heard about it. I don't know a whole lot more other than what's on their site, but this could change a lot of things.

    httpss://vimeo.com/104633742

  9. Emm

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    @osiris Majestic - Originally I had all types of issues with gimbals, but I dove head first and familiarized myself with them as much as possible. I even went as far as to build a couple from scratch. I sort of know what to look for and what things need to be setup in order for them to work and since there seems to be many others diving into this realm i'm just glad I can help in some way.

  10. osiris Majestic

    You need to write a book...for this..sell it on amazon...get money so your kids, wife, family, friends can eat well....because.........you work hard.....and you deserve it. People still do read books you know.....Just a little suggestion. Question...is there anyone out there who does this thing you do better than you? You know this thing you do? Like balancing a new fresh crispy gimbal out of the box in REAL TIME on you tube even before you power it on? PERFECTLY? And other wild E coyote stuff you do? JUST SAYIN

  11. Dez

    @Emm Came-TV now has on their site the CAME 7800 with quick release and adjustable handles. Wonder if it'll fit the Canon 5D Mark 3. Total price is just under $1500

  13. Emm

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    @Hogo - I love the Ronin for when you need to fly a pretty large camera, but it just doesn't make a lot of sense to carry such a heavy stabilizer for such a tiny camera. It is a great buy if you plan to use a variety of cameras but if 90 percent of the stuff you do is with a Dslr or smaller, maybe it would be better to rent the larger ones when you really need it.

  14. Hogo

    Once that birdycam drops under $2000 it will be a good buy. Also I've seen people run the bmpcc on a Ronin but rigged up a little with additional weight.

  15. Emm

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    @Patrick - Make sure your frame is unlocked and in the software make sure the motors are not set to OFF. It should move around through the process.

  16. Emm

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    @Saiaf - The Varavon is a good fit that offers quick adjustments and strong enough to stabilize that camera.

  18. Patrick

    Hi Emm,

    so I´ve tried running through Auto-Tuning axis by axis as you showed in your video. And it´s not really working out. First of all after a complete run the Birdycam is just shaking like crazy. Then I realized that none of my D settings were tested or populated by Auto-Tuning (I tried several times). And the last difference I noticed: Your Came does some intense shaking moves while being tuned. My birdycam simply does nothing during the whole process. I am not really sure, what to take from this.

    Happy to take any advice,
    thanks!

  20. Cesare

    Thank you for the clear and exaustive video.

    Only a little curiosity: if the gimbal is a CAME 7000 and the yaw motor is a 5208-200T-12N14P, why the poles of yaw are set at 15? An odd number for poles sound strange ...
    regards

  21. Emm

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    @Elliot Kramer - Yes it will work on the 7500 or any 7000 with a 32 bit board. I have other gimbals that are working fine so I don't want to upgrade also. I will wait until there are more features I need.

  22. Elliot Kramer

    Thank you for all the informative video's you do. I really appreciate them. I think your site is one of the most interesting video sites that there is. I purchased a CAME 7500 after you built the 7000 and I'm loving it. I'm not going to do anything now to screw it up, but it is nice to know there is new firmware out there. This firmware will work with the CAME 7500, right?

  23. Emm

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    @Saiaf - To fly what? If you have a tiny bmpcc it won't work on the Ronin. If you have anything like a C100 it won't work on the Varavon.

  25. Aaron

    Great, thank you. I guess as long as I know nothing is permanently wrong, it wont hurt to learn what each setting does individually.

  26. Emm

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    @Aaron - Here's an old comment post with links to the profiles (not sure if they have been updated since) httpss://cheesycam.com/unboxing-came-7500-ready-to-run-3-axis-gimbal-stabilizer/#comment-281071

    Also, I don't think the profiles will save motor configurations like 'invert' settings, so walk through the steps of checking that. Double check your Sensor positions both camera and frame IMU, calibrate the sensors (you can do a quick one by holding the camera level), and also calibrate the Gyros. This video talks a little about those steps: https://gimbal.cheesycam.com/diy-build-came-7000-32-bit-3-axis-gimbal-stabilizer/#basicPID

  27. Aaron

    @Emm, Thanks. It's still acting a little crazy. Is there anywhere to view or download the settings that came loaded with the 7500?

  28. Emm

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    @Aaron - change the setting back to High (less noisey) for that high pitched sound. Do a quick calibrate gyro (and hold the gimbal in place). Resetting the firmware wipes out the gyro calibrations.

  29. Aaron

    This totally f'ed up my gimbal. It went crazy and I couldn't get it to be stable, even by individually working on P, I, and D.
    I went back and reloaded the old firmware. Now it's making a high pitched noise and is freaking out even with everything zeroed out.

  31. Emm

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    @Nick - Just make a backup of any profiles you created in case you don't like what Auto Tuning dishes out.

  32.

    Very impressed. I'm going to have to check this out tonight with my CAME-7000. I've never been able to get the PID settings right and having owned this for 3 months feel like I've wasted money. Hopefully this will allow me to get this guy on some shoots!

  33. Emm

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    @Renato Murilo Langona - The PID settings are directly related to the Motor Configuration Power settings. I could be totally totally wrong, but from what I understand the Motor Configuration max power setting value is 255. If you are running a 12V battery and have your values set to 127 (close to half max value) then it would send only 6V to each motor. Using the 255 value will send a full 12V to each motor. You can have really high PID values as long as you have low Motor Power settings.

    The + symbol next to the Power setting is how much extra voltage it should throw in when it needs to. If your values add up to more than 255, it will only max at 255.

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